Curse

actionjack · Jan 22, 2006, 07:50 AM // 07:50

So I was playing few PvP this weekend, which make me think about its reward, the Faction points. Not sure if there is a post about it before, but Faction point, since they are like the Exp and Gold of PvP, there should be more use to them (more things you can "buy" with them). Some ideas include:

- Dyes and Unlock Color
- Unlock differnt Pets.
- Unlock more Templet Builds
- Unlock more PvP Weapons that have more differnt stats and skins.
- Unlock more Armor Skins (able to wear the 15k or even the underworld set.... if you have lots points....)
- Unlock Templet Sheets* (see below)
- Convert to Gold (maybe like a 1.5:1 ration.. meaning 3 faction point for 2 gold....)
- Convert to Exp

- Use it to buy Novelity Arena only items (1 time use or hats) such as:
Gladiator's Drink, Champion's Crown (a leaf crown), Winner's Sash, Cheering Crowd (when use, you hear the cheer of crowds), Booing Crowd, Fireworks, Thumbs Up (when use, have a aura of thumps up for few seconds), Thumbs Down, and a "Whoop Ass" emote... (Some will be good for "teasing" those loosers on the ground...

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*Templet sheets- an idea for making easier build for PvP characters. You buy an item call Templet Sheets (or some better name), make up your skills, use the item, which will bring up a window box that ask you to name the Build, and save the build with the primary and 2ndary proff and its skills and attribute distribution (but still need to set up the equipment and look your self). So the next time you make a PvP character, you can just use this customize build.

Thats about what I have for now.. any more ideas?

PieXags · Jan 22, 2006, 07:52 AM // 07:52

I DEFINATELY think you should be able to trade in faction for gold. It takes more skill to PvP than it does to farm, why the hell shouldn't we be able to get gold from it if that's what we choose?

Zobi · Jan 22, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Some of the ideas listed are afirly good ideas, but I totally disagree with being able to unlock 15 armours.

Many RPG players save up for an awful long time, having to farm, (which is extremely monotonous), to get these armours. IMO it is a PvE reward.

I think unlocking dyes would be a better way to stop PvP characters all looking the same.

I also really like the idea of unlocking different animals, as seeing nothing but wolves in PvP gets extremely boring after a while. I do not think they should have access to the spider, however, as that is a UW reward.

Just my 2 pennies worth.

necromesmer · Jan 22, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by PieXags

I DEFINATELY think you should be able to trade in faction for gold. It takes more skill to PvP than it does to farm, why the hell shouldn't we be able to get gold from it if that's what we choose?

Yes i totaly agree with this. Farming is so fricking boaring and after you farm you have to sell the weapon you farmed. This would be a good incentive for people to pvp.

The First Attacker · Jan 22, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

The 15 armour thing is too much.

Loviatar · Jan 22, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by necromesmer

Yes i totaly agree with this. Farming is so fricking boaring and after you farm you have to sell the weapon you farmed. This would be a good incentive for people to pvp.

and pvp people are bitching their heads off how boreing farming faction is.

PieXags

not just no but hell no on a pvpgrindmonkey getting top PVE items through pvp.

FACTION IS AN UNLOCKING TOOL NOT A REWARD

it is a super fast targeted unlock for pvp.

you can get your superior vigor AND your superior absorption runes in a few hours of doing what you would be diong even without the faction because that part of the game is what you like.

i have never in close to 1000 hours had a superior vigor or absorption drop

NO WAY FOR PVP FACTION FOR COSMETIC PVE REWARDS

TGgold · Jan 22, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

I like the faction to gold idea.

I have 4 PvE characters that I PvP with.

What does faction do for me?

Nothing.

leeky baby · Jan 22, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

no pve chars shoudl be the only ones to get there 15k armour and fow i dotn think this should be mixed. I think if osme oen has worked hard to get a different looking pve char to be worthy for pvp then he has the right to look gd

although if u change fraction points into gold iv got 500,000+ lol so i will be rich

Loviatar · Jan 22, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

lets do this right.

you can buy PVE status items with faction

i can buy PVP rank with gold.

50k per rank maybe?

i could have rank12 easy right now

fair is fair.

dont like the idea of a farmer flashing a top rank emote he didnt earn????

yes put me in line for rank 12 now

EDIT

you are fully unlocked and looking for something to spend it on?

well i have all the gold i need and i am looking for something to blow it on.

fissure armor for you and rank 12 emote for me

sucks both ways

pappayaponta · Jan 22, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Yes! YES! YYYEEESSS!!! To be ale to turn faction to gold would make farming so much more fun!

Eldin · Jan 22, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

/signed

We need more uses for faction, indeed.

actionjack · Jan 22, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Here is my opinion to some of the "concerns"

- On Faction to Gold (and not the other way around, you cann't convert Gold to Faction...). Since I am have not really play all aspect of PvP, so I am not sure how easy it is to "farm" faction. But if you only get like 20 Faction per kill.. seems not a very good way to farm. This is primary to make more Faction more useful, in that they could even buy some PvE items with their play, as well as encourage PvEers to come to PvP, with a reward that something they could use.

- On unlocking Armor. Yes, I am aware of how 15k and FOW armor are exclusive for PvE, BUT, it also would prove you status in PvP if you do have one as well. If set at a really really high "price" (maybe like 30k of Faction for 1 unlocking armor piece of 15k armor), it would really prove something that you can wear it with a pride. Of couse, it is not for everyone, and a "goal" such as this might make people want to play some more.

Jhawk · Jan 22, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

i can buy PVP rank with gold.

50k per rank maybe?

sucks both ways

bad idea that would get rid of the whole status of the rank.

Jhawk · Jan 22, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by actionjack

Here is my opinion to some of the "concerns"

- On unlocking Armor. Yes, I am aware of how 15k and FOW armor are exclusive for PvE, BUT, it also would prove you status in PvP if you do have one as well. If set at a really really high "price" (maybe like 30k of Faction for 1 unlocking armor piece of 15k armor), it would really prove something that you can wear it with a pride. Of couse, it is not for everyone, and a "goal" such as this might make people want to play some more.

what would be the differnce between PvE players with 15k armor and PvP players with 15k armor most poeple woulndt know what you were.

Loviatar · Jan 22, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Jhawk

bad idea that would get rid of the whole status of the rank.

as would a hardcore pvp faction farmer in fissure armor

that is my point

other side of coin

actionjack

if you can turn faction into gold why not the opposite?

sheesh

actionjack · Jan 22, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

There is not much difference between 15k PvE and PvP, atleast visually. However, it seem unfair to a true PvPer that if they want better looking armor, they are force to play PvE, which they might not like. It is more important not to the onlookers, but to them self.

It would even be better to have a armor set exclusive that can only be earn by Faction. But since making new armor set is not too easy (maybe in future chapters), would just go for Hats and Sash and other look add on for now (see the Novelity item)

Faction into gold is not the same as Gold into Faction. Because the activity invole in getting them is different. PvP tend to require more skill and teamwork, while gold could be getting from just repeative work. There fore
Faction = Gold (since to get faction, you need repeative work as well).. But
Gold != Faction (since to get gold you don't need such intense play as PvP)

Do I need to draw a circle diagram too?

Markaedw · Jan 22, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

if you can turn faction into gold why not the opposite?

sheesh

ebay faction!

I could see faction for gold conversion, but it would have to be low enough that the ebayers would not want to do it.

I am not interested in PvP exclusively but I would do it on occassion, but after I hit the cap what is the point for a PvE. Of course with PvP not getting gold, they don't have to put up with "WTS overpriced near godly weapon 100k plus 1000 ectos", because you know as soon as the PvP crowd gets a gold option the trade spammers will hit, them and telemarketers feel that it is their [insert diety] given right to annoy people.

Loviatar · Jan 22, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by actionjack

However, it seem unfair to a true PvPer that if they want better looking armor, they are force to play PvE, which they might not like. It is more important not to the onlookers, but to them self.

?

and since the PVE person worked so long and hard grinding for it it would be completely unfair for the pvp person with a fully unlocked account to be saying

*well i have everything on my part lets just go and pick up the other sides goodies without doing the grind needed for it.*

i have a more or less live and let live mindset but if they are just going to give PVE rewards to pvp people who havent done the PVE work for them i say no.

i cant get pvp prestige without pvp grind.

they should not get PVE prestige items without doing PVE to earn them.

they are OPTIONAL and if they want them that badly they will PVE to get it.

they still have an advantage as many PVE people dont have the reflexes/skill to faction farm but the pvp expert can gold/item farm very fast.

again no

actionjack · Jan 22, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

and since the PVE person worked so long and hard grinding for it it would be completely unfair for the pvp person with a fully unlocked account to be saying

*well i have everything on my part lets just go and pick up the other sides goodies without doing the grind needed for it.*

i have a more or less live and let live mindset but if they are just going to give PVE rewards to pvp people who havent done the PVE work for them i say no.

i cant get pvp prestige without pvp grind.

they should not get PVE prestige items without doing PVE to earn them.

they are OPTIONAL and if they want them that badly they will PVE to get it.

they still have an advantage as many PVE people dont have the reflexes/skill to faction farm but the pvp expert can gold/item farm very fast.

again no

So the PvP people does not need to work hard? If such thing were to set a a very high faction points, (like 30k faction per 1 unlock armor item), is still easy? The idea is that the 15k armor are best to get with PvE, lot eaiser and faster with gold farming. However, should the PvP crowd choose to, once they spend all their faction points on the skills and things they need, they could also try to aim for such high end but only visuall please item as a way of Faction Sink.

Maybe I am wrong and gaining Faction is way to easy for some, but I found it hard and slow just to get enought for one skill (but agian, I don't play PvP much at all) Thus in my mind, Faction farming is lot harder than Gold farming. Is that true?

Markaedw · Jan 22, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Now I am not dissing PvP only characters, but since faction only rewards PvP characters, it does no good for a PvE to do any PvP fighting, unless you have a slot open for PvP. So I take my level 20 ranger and do some faction farming to unlock runes (I already have most of the skills), thats it, everything else I can provide for that PvP character. Now I worked pretty hard for all those weapon upgrades and mods, even if I don't use them, but what if I don't want to delete any characters, I PvP hit the 10,000 faction mark then what? So if there is an exchange rate, even if it is 10 faction to 1g
atleast there is a reward for me to do something other than HoH for sigs, unless I can purchase sigs with faction.

I haven't done much PvP but, I didn't like that I had to delete a character to use the runes I purchased.